http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickMarkII/BiggestMistakesWesternGuysMakeWithThaiWomen.htm
This is the view from an western woman:
1. Good Thai Girls Won't Talk To You First. If you come to
Thailand to meet a girl, and a Thai girl talks to you before you talk to
her, believe me, she's not a good Thai girl. Well brought up Thai girls
from good families are taught never to talk to men first, and
definitely never approach one. So, no matter how much the girl tries to
persuade you otherwise, she's not a good Thai girl. Good Thai girls are
shy and reserved and you will have to approach them. But where?
Ingeniøren:
Yes it is true the part of brought up right. But now a days Thai girls has changed a lot.
The try to be more western and use the way of korean woman.
But here is what i have picked up.
If a thaigirl has big breast, then she in most cases has done surgery.
Then the next thing is to ask, why she did that ? In Thailand you are looked down on .And there are moviestarts that was famous in Thailand that made big breast. And after they lost all jobs because of that.
So good Thai girls do not have big sillicon breast.
Thai girls do other surgery that is accepted and might do that to follow the trend. But in most cases a Thaiwoman that has good behavior will not do same as western woman.
2. Where To Meet A Good Thai Girl.
A lot of Thai women like Western men and would love one as a boyfriend.
Thai men often have the reputation of having too many girlfriends and a
lot of them still have a mistress (or mia noi) even after they
get married. Consequently, quite a few educatedThai girls aren't that
interested in marrying a Thai guy. These girls also think that Western
men are better (I'm not sure if that's true, but who am I to judge!) A
great way to meet Thai women is to hang out in coffee shops or
bookstores. Thai women will tend to go around in groups, so you might
have to have enough courage to chat to several Thai women at once. But,
sitting at a table next to a group of Thai women and asking them to help
you with the menu is a great way to get started. Thais are very helpful
and many of them love to practice English. You will get a lot of
giggles and blushes but there will be at least one girl in the group who
will help you and then talk to you more than the others.
Bookstores are also great places to meet women (if you're in Bangkok,
Kinokuniya at Siam Paragon mall is a good one) and some of them have
coffee shops too. So, if you strike up a conversation with a nice girl,
you could suggest having a cup of coffee to continue the conversation.
A friend of mine met his Thai now-wife on a boat in Bangkok. Going
from the main shopping area to one of the temples, he took a small klong
(canal) boat. He ended up sitting next to a Thai woman and they started
to talk. One year later, he was married to her. She's smart, well
educated, from a nice family and is an awesome wife.
One place
not to expect to meet a good Thai girl is in a bar. While some good Thai
girls will go to bars with friends, most won't, as most good Thai girls
don't drink. If you meet a Thai girl in a bar, especially if she's
outgoing and a bit aggressive, she's not the good girl she says she is.
Ingeniøren:
What most people do not know is that many Thaigirls that work in goverment, are single woman.
When i visit my wife at her work place there is 80 % or more single woman.
And they are all intrested in how my wife found me. We get many times question how to find a nice western man.
So if you are in Thailand why not try to ask a goverment woman out? Or a woman that work in a regular job.
You will not find a good woman in a bar. That is a woman that never want a family life.
And there are many traps here. But the way is to see the traps xbar girls use.
3. Dinner With The Chaperone.
Once you've met a nice Thai girl and want to see her again, ask her out
for dinner. Thais love to eat more than any other nationality on the
planet and they love going out to dinner. However, a good Thai girl will
always bring a friend, a sister, or a cousin with her on at least the
first two or three dates (sometimes more) and you will be expected to
pay for both of them. Good Thai girls always have to have a chaperone
so, if the girl you meet immediately agrees to meet you for dinner
alone, chances are she's not a good girl.
Ingeniøren
Never take her out in a place that serve sushi or has a cook yourself choice at the table.
Why ? here is why, the food might be bad choice for your western belly and you might get food poison really fast.
And that might end the date very fast.
So here is my idea. Take her to a pizza and a movie like you do i your homeland. You enjoy a good meal that you not get sick. And you have then your mind on how to impress your lovely girl.
4. What to Buy Thai Girls As Gifts.
Thai girls just love getting gifts and that's one thing Thai guys are
very good at. As a potential new boyfriend therefore, you will be
expected to give her a gift or gifts. It doesn't have to be too
expensive (expecting very expensive gifts is another dead giveaway that
your girl isn't such a good one), but it should be cute. Thai girls of
any age (even in their 40s) love soft toys. A teddy bear, rabbit, fluffy
cat or stuffed whale will be fawned over and loved. Chocolates are also
adored, as are flowers. You can buy huge bouquets of flowers at the
markets in Thailand, often for less than $5 and the seller will arrange
them in an elaborate bouquet for you. Thai girls love them.
Ingeniøren:
Yes the woman that wrote this is right.
What did i do.
I bought her perfum from the taxfree shop when i left Norway. Then i bought choclates from Norway.
I did not use regular western behavior and be rude. I was very polite and after a while i showed that i really like her.
But a good way also to make a talk through skype or LINE.
Thai always use line,
http://line.naver.jp/en/
So if you found a woman on Thai love link use line to talk to her before you visit
5. Meeting The Family.
Thais are very connected to their families and their family will be
more important than anything, including you. If your Thai girl starts to
get serious about you, she will expect you to meet her family. And, if
you start getting serious, at least once weekly lunches or dinners will
be expected. If, after a few weeks, you haven't met her family either
she doesn't like you enough, her parents don't approve of Westerners, or
she's trying to hide something about them. None of these are good signs
and if, after asking, you still don't get to meet the family, it might
be time to look for another girl.
Ingeniøren:
Yes true again. When you meet her family bring a gift for the family.
Might be something from you homeland.
Also after you have met them take the family out for dinner. It does not cost more then 500 baht max 800 baht.
I toke 9 people out for 800 baht.
Ask and show intresed in her family and key to all is mum and dad. Most of the time her dad is a way to get a foot inside the door. I got her dad a gift and he liked it and soon i was in.
6. Be Sweet To Her. One
thingThai guys are really good at is being sweet. They sweet talk
girls, they are always kind to them, they buy them gifts, they take them
out for lunch, and they allow the girls to think they're the boss
(well, most of the time, they are!). Consequently, a Thai girl is going
to expect you to act the same. If you are too aggressive, too rude, not
polite when you're out with her, and expect her to have sex with you,
she won't stick around for very long. Think about your long-term goals,
and be patient. Thai women usually make amazing wives, so treat her
nicely from the minute you meet her and you won't be sorry.
Ingeniøren: That is all right
7. Try To Find A Girl You Have Something In Common With.
Too many Western men in Thailand marry Thai women they have nothing in
common with. Many of them marry women who don't speak much English and
they don't speak much Thai. A year later, the gild has gone of the lily
and they're bored stiff with their marriage and their wife. There are
many Thai women who would like to have a Western boyfriend or husband so
choose carefully. Try to meet girls you have something in common with
and who speak some English. Especially in Bangkok, there are many
educated girls and most of them will speak some English.
Ingeniøren :
Do never take a girl that is to young. That is a common mistake by western. Get a girl half your own age .
That it a NO NO.
Also if she has a eduction she should speak some english. If she not speak a word. That is your first warning light.
She migh come from poor family from isaan . And i never want anybody i know to have an isaan wife. Sorry but to many cases with isaan girls is know as gold digger wifes.
Sorry girls but the truth is the truth.
You might be beautiful but it is a know fact that isaan woman has to many things from her past that not mix with family life.
Also if the woman has a tattoo that is an way to she she might have worked in a bar.
A good woman will never take a tattoo in Thailand. This is looked down on from educated people.
8. Don't Expect A Good Thai Girl To Have Sex With You.
Now, of course this is slowly changing but, overall, most good Thai
girls will not have sex with you until they marry you. At least 60 to
70% of Thai women are virgins when they get married, so they'll expect
you to wait to have sex too. Of course, there are definitely Thai women
who are having sex before marriage but it's not a subject they will talk
about, even with close friends. So, if you meet a Thai girl, she jumps
into bed with you right away and seems to know what she's doing, there's
only a miniscule chance in heck that she's a good girl.
Ingeniøren
Here a big mistake. Yes she is right, but a bar woman has some way to hid this. She will wait almost until she has period and then have sex.
This is known in Thailand and they do it because they then say she never had sex before.
What man would not be proved to be the first ?
And yes if you are in bad very fast, then that woman has a past in a bar.
Don't
forget, Thai girls are just like anyone else. They want a man who will
love them, take care of them and protect them. They will expect you to
honor and respect their family and to help their family if needed (both
emotionally and financially). In return, they will love and take care of
you and, quite frankly, will often make a better wife than a lot of
Western women. So, if you're coming to Thailand to meet a Thai woman,
keep these few tips in mind and you won't be disappointed.
Ingeniøren
Think this was written by a white woman .
I have something more to add. Thai woman always watch drama on TV. And they will sometimes act like the drama from tv.
Shout and scream if they are upset.
Here is a tip: Keep your head cool. And answer very slow and nice back. Do never answer hard back.
You will lose that war belive you me. I might have right but i always answer in a calm way. even i am pissed off.
You might win the fight by slow things down and never use high voice. Even if she do.
That she will later respect you of. And you will win more fights in the future.
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tirsdag 12. november 2013
Det har tidligere vært mye bråk rundt Norwegian ansatte fra Thailand. Bråket har gått ut på lønn som Thailandske ansatte får hos Norwegian.
Jeg har en eldre link som jeg ønsker å dele med lesere.
Jeg har en eldre link som jeg ønsker å dele med lesere.
52,000 Thai workers lose jobs from minimum wage hike
Her kan man se at flere faktisk mistet jobben etter at det ble vedtatt en minimumslønn i Thailand.
Arbeidsvilkår i asia er meget harde.
Protester i Uk
I går var det demonstrasjoner i London hvor Thaier som er uenig i Amnesty bill deltok.
Videre er det i dag planlagt større protester igjen.
Videre er det i dag planlagt større protester igjen.
mandag 11. november 2013
Søkemotor for farage i Thailand
http://www.farangfriendly.com/
Our aim is simply to make the lives of expats and tourists in the ASEAN region easier and to help them find what they want, wherever they need it. We hope you enjoy the site as much as we do and would ask you to submit reviews wherever you can - we need your help to make life in the region as enjoyable and productive as possible.
Trenger du en håndverker, kan du søke her
Trenger du en håndverker, kan du søke her
søndag 10. november 2013
Adam Bradshaw - Engelskmann som lærer thaiene engelsk
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=Adam+bradshaw+learn+thai&sm=3
Denne karen snakker virkelig flytende Thai . Han har et eget show som han tar ulike hendelser, og forklarer først på thai. Deretter oversetter han dette til engelsk.
Se flere video av han på linken over.
Se flere video av han på linken over.
lørdag 9. november 2013
Nyttige bøker - kan kjøpes som ebook også
Thai Law for Foreigners
Retiring in Thailand
http://www.paiboonpublishing.com/products.html

http://www.paiboonpublishing.com/details.php?prodId=52
Talking Thai–English–Thai Dictionaryfor iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch
How to Buy Land and Build a House in Thailand
http://www.paiboonpublishing.com/details.php?prodId=52
Talking Thai–English–Thai Dictionaryfor iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch
I dag faller dommen mellom striden mellom Thailand og Kambotsja
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_thailandsk-kambodsjanske_grensekonflikten
Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul said in The Hague that both sides are satisfied with the court's decision. After this, the two counties will hold talks in a panel planned to jointly develop the area, Mr Surapong said.
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Signalene jeg har hørt gjentatt i media og av folk i Thailand er det samme som krigen over indokina.Og det er at hvorfor skal vi rette oss etter tidligere kolonimakter?
Og her får jeg endelig bekreftelse på innlegget.(14.11.2013)
Se signalene selv:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/379693/yingluck-yet-to-accept-icj-ruling
"Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra insisted in parliament yesterday she had never accepted the International Court of Justice's (ICJ) decision awarding the entire Preah Vihear promontory to Cambodia. "
Jeg selv ser helt klart at dette er et viktig poeng. Her sitter altså dommere fra de tidligere kolonimaktene og avgjør ting som dem selv har vært med på å skape.
Hvem gav Frankrike rett til å innvadere Thailand, og skape Indokina? Og hvorfor skal det i 2013 være dommere fra Frankriket, england, USA som skal avgjøre landområder som ble tatt av Frankriket . Da når Frankriket så tapte krigen gikk USA til krig for å forsvare kolonimakten Frankriket.
Frankriket har intet å gjøre i en dom som gjelder Thailand. Dette har heller ikke UK, og USA.
Haag dommstolen skulle vært av nøytrale land som ikke har vært kolonimakter. Da hadde dommen vært mer rettferdig.
Det er lett å glemme tidligere historier, og derfor har jeg vedlagt filmer nedenfor av indokina konflikten.
Husk en ting, og det er at i 1975 var vietnamkrigen over. Det er flere som fortsatt minnes den tiden. og
Men til ettertanke for Thailand bør man se på løsningen som Norge og Russland gjennomførte.
Norges deling med Russland
Utfallet kan vel egentlig sammenlignes med den Norske og Russiske konflikten over nordområdene.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/04/27/nyheter/russland/norge/medvedev/utenriks/11470171/
Jeg fant en link som tar for seg Cambodia sitt syn.Hvor man skriver følgende:
http://www.cambodia.org/Preah_Vihear/?history=A+Khmer+Heritage
"Unlike the Khmers, Thais, known then as Siameses, were not natives of the region. The kingdom of Thailand, known then as Siam, did not appear in Southeast Asia until the mid- 14th century.
A well-known Thai historian, Sulak Sivarak, who was a Nobel Peace Prize nominee and the winner of the Right Livelihood Award said of the Khmer Empire: "It included everything right up to Lopburi and all of what is now Bangkok".
Answer to this article:
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I have before written about this temple, and some info is on the blogg.
http://thaimarried.blogspot.com/2012/02/fra-kolonitid-til-dagens-asia.html
http://thaimarried.blogspot.com/2012/05/fortsettelse-kolonitid-til-dagens.html
The link above show Cambodia view.
Thailand had a large "Siam" before the Frence started there quest for land.
The view the blogger above talk about, make me think like this:
"For me it will be the same as we Norwegian should say that USA belong to Norway, because the vikings was the first to find USA."
Let see the evidence :
"Who discovered America? When Columbus returned from the Antilles in 1493, he was not the first European to have stepped in the New World.
It seems that, 500 years before, a group of blond Scandinavians had done it. It happened during the Viking era, when these sailors and warriors were roaming northern Africa, eastern Europe and the Middle East. "
So therefor Norway own USA, right ?
Source : http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-Did-Vikings-Discover-America-49891.shtml
Also in your article you say :
"Cambodia was a vassal state under Siam during the reign of King Ang Duong."
Well you see that easy on the map from 1351 until 1907, that is 556 years this was under Siam.
I would think that is a long claim ?
From 1907 until today it is 107 years. But Thailand never said they agree to the rulling in court in 1962, so this is really not 107 years.
It is from 1907 until 1962 this was under Cambodia and that is 55 years.
And it was taken from Thailand by France . So this is the same way, if germany should say they had France under the war in 1942.
The land should have been returned to Siam after this:
source: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_thailandsk-kambodsjanske_grensekonflikten
In the nineteenth century , interest in the colonization of Indochina in Europe. France , which then had already gained influence in Cochinkina.
Cambodia established a protectorate in 1863 after a request from King Norodom of Cambodia.
The French wanted to increase their sphere of influence and pressure Siam to conclude the French- Thai treaty of 1867 , which rejected Thailand's sovereignty over Cambodia against Battambang , Banteay Meanchey , Oddar Meancheay and Siem Reap provinces officially became part of Thailand .
These provinces were returned to Cambodia for a boundary adjustment treaty in 1906 between French Indochina, the French colonial federation created in Indochina in 1887
And Thailand, against Thailand got Trat , Dan Sai and Loei . The French surveyed the border between French Cambodia and Thailand on behalf of a bilateral border commission. This map showed Preah Vihear as part of Cambodia , which fought with the prior agreement of 1904. Despite this, Thailand used the map in official use, which has affected the current conflict .
Without help from France, cambodia would not had this land.
And the historian you talk about might be this ?
http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/pendingcases/sulak-sivaraksa/
See the history here:
Ayutthaya Kingdom
(1351–1767)
Thonburi Kingdom (1768–1782)
Rattanakosin Empire (1782-1856)
same map as above from 1768 to 1782
Siam Empire (1856–1932)
In 1893 the French authorities in Indochina used a minor border dispute to provoke a crisis.
French gunboats appeared at Bangkok, and demanded the cession of Lao territories east of the Mekong. The King appealed to the British, but the British minister told the King to settle on whatever terms he could get, and he had no choice but to comply. Britain's only gesture was an agreement with France guaranteeing the integrity of the rest of Siam. In exchange, Siam had to give up its claim to the Tai-speaking Shan region of north-eastern Burma to the British.
The French, however, continued to pressure Siam, and in 1906–1907 they manufactured another crisis. This time Siam had to concede French control of territory on the west bank of the Mekong opposite Luang Prabang and around Champasak in southern Laos, as well as western Cambodia.
The British interceded to prevent more French bullying of Siam, but their price, in 1909 was the acceptance of British sovereignty over of Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis and Terengganu under Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909.
All of these "lost territories" were on the fringes of the Siamese sphere of influence and had never been securely under their control, but being compelled to abandon all claim to them was a substantial humiliation to both king and country (historian David K. Wyatt describes Chulalongkorn as "broken in spirit and health" following the 1893 crisis) and is the basis for the change in the name of the country; with the loss of these territories Great Siam was now no more, the king now ruled only the core Thai lands.
In the early 20th century these crises were adopted by the increasingly nationalist government as symbols of the need for the country to assert itself against the West and its neighbours.
1907: Siam surrenders to France the Cambodian province around Angkor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Siamese_War
Indochina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Indochina
France obtained control over northern Vietnam following its victory over China in the Sino-French war (1884–1885).
French Indochina was formed in October 1887 from Annam, Tonkin, Cochinchina (which together form modern Vietnam) and the Kingdom of Cambodia; Laos was added after the Franco-Siamese War in 1893.
The federation lasted until 1954. In the four protectorates, the French formally left the local rulers in power, who were the Emperors of Vietnam, Kings of Cambodia, and Kings of Luang Prabang, but in fact gathered all powers in their hands, the local rulers acting only as figureheads.
What was France after:
Rich resources of rice, oil, iron ore, rubber, tin, and later bauxite and titanium, among others using colonials employed at slave wages.
French colonialism in Vietnam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French-Thai_War
Negotiations with France shortly before World War II had shown that the French government was willing to make appropriate changes in the boundaries between Thailand and French Indochina, but only slightly.
Following the Fall of France in 1940, Major-General Plaek Pibulsonggram (popularly known as "Phibun"), the prime minister of Thailand, decided that France's defeat gave the Thais an even better chance to regain the territories they had lost during King Chulalongkorn's reign.
The German occupation of metropolitan France made France's hold on its overseas possessions, including Indochina, tenuous.
Where this picture show the leader of France ( Indo china)
"1940 oktober hvor Pétain og Hitler håndhilste og blitt enige om dette samarbeidet mellom de to statene."
The isolated colonial administration was cut off from outside help and outside supplies.
After the Japanese invasion of Indochina in September 1940, the French were forced to allow Japan to set up military bases.
This seemingly subservient behaviour convinced the Phibun regime that Vichy France would not seriously resist a confrontation with Thailand
- The Thai Army was a relatively well-equipped force.[10] Consisting of 60,000 men
- French forces in Indochina consisted of an army of approximately 50,000 men, of whom 12,000 were French, organised into forty-one infantry battalions, two artillery regiments, and a battalion of engineers.[7]
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During World War II, Thailand took the opportunity of French weaknesses to reclaim previously lost territories, resulting in the French-Thai War between October 1940 and 9 May 1941.
The Thai forces generally did well on the ground, but Thai objectives in the war were limited.
In January, Vichy French naval forces decisively defeated Thai naval forces in the Battle of Koh Chang. The war ended in May at the instigation of the Japanese, with the French forced to concede territorial gains for Thailand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Koh_Chang
The Battle of Ko Chang took place on 17 January 1941 during the Franco-Thai War and resulted in a decisive victory by the French over the Royal Thai Navy. During the battle, a flotilla of French warships attacked a smaller force of Thai vessels, including a coastal battleship.
In the end, Thailand lost two ships sunk and one heavily damaged and grounded. Within a month of the engagement, the Vichy French and the Thais negotiated a peace which ended the war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France
Philippe Pétain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_P%C3%A9tain
Pétain's actions during World War II resulted in his conviction and death sentence for treason,
After the liberation of France on 7 September 1944, Pétain and other members of the French cabinet at Vichy were relocated by the Germans to Sigmaringen in Germany, where they became a government-in-exile until April 1945.
Pétain, however, having been forced to leave France, refused to participate in this government and Fernand de Brinon now headed the 'government commission.'[33]
In a note dated 29 October 1944, Pétain forbade de Brinon to use the Marshal's name in any connection with this new government, and on 5 April 1945, Pétain wrote a note to Hitler expressing his wish to return to France. No reply ever came. However, on his birthday almost three weeks later, he was taken to the Swiss border. Two days later he crossed into the French frontier.[34]
De Gaulle later wrote that Pétain's decision to return to France to face his accusers in person was "certainly courageous".[35]
The provisional government headed by de Gaulle placed Pétain on trial, which took place from 23 July to 15 August 1945, for treason.
Dressed in the uniform of a Marshal of France, Pétain remained silent through most of the proceedings after an initial statement that denied the right of the High Court, as constituted, to try him.
De Gaulle himself was later to criticize the trial, stating, "Too often, the discussions took on the appearance of a partisan trial, sometimes even a settling of accounts, when the whole affair should have been treated only from the standpoint of national defense and independence."[36]
At the end of Pétain's trial, although the three judges recommended acquittal on all charges, the jury convicted him and sentenced him to death by a one-vote majority.
Due to his advanced age, the Court asked that the sentence not be carried out. De Gaulle, who was President of the Provisional Government of the French Republic at the end of the war, commuted the sentence to life imprisonment due to Pétain's age and his military contributions in World War I.
After his conviction, the Court stripped Pétain of all military ranks and honours save for the one distinction of Marshal of France.
Maréchal is a title conferred by a special personal law passed by the French Parliament which, under the separation of powers principle, the French Court did not have the power to overturn.[citation needed]
Fearing riots at the announcement of the sentence, de Gaulle ordered that Pétain be immediately transported on the former's private aircraft to Fort du Portalet in the Pyrenees,[37] where he remained from 15 August to 16 November 1945. The government later transferred him to the Fort de Pierre-Levée citadel on the Île d'Yeu, a small island off the French Atlantic coast.[38]
The ending of Indo China
http://www.gia-vuc.com/frenchindochina.htm
The Vietnam War
ostensibly began as a civil war between feuding governments. Being
Western-oriented and perceived as less popular than Hồ Chí Minh's
northern government, the South Vietnam government fought largely to
maintain its governing status within the partitioned entity, rather than
to "unify the country" as was the goal of the North. Fighting began in
1957 and with U.S. and Soviet-Chinese involvement would steadily
escalate and spill over into the neighboring Indochinese countries of
Cambodia and Laos.
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_thailandsk-kambodsjanske_grensekonflikten
Rettelse dommen faller på Mandag den 11.
Se info om dette her
The United Nations' highest court did not specify precisely how the area
in the ruling maps onto that which is claimed by Cambodia, saying only
that it should correspond with the natural promontory, and that the
border line did not have to follow the watershed, as Thailand has
argued.
2.
However, the court rejected Cambodia's claim that it was also awarded a nearby hill by the 1962 ICJ ruling that was being interpreted in Monday's judgment. Known as Pheu Makheu in Thailand and Phnum Trap in Cambodia, the hill falls under the disputed 4.6 square kilometre area.
2.
However, the court rejected Cambodia's claim that it was also awarded a nearby hill by the 1962 ICJ ruling that was being interpreted in Monday's judgment. Known as Pheu Makheu in Thailand and Phnum Trap in Cambodia, the hill falls under the disputed 4.6 square kilometre area.
Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul said in The Hague that both sides are satisfied with the court's decision. After this, the two counties will hold talks in a panel planned to jointly develop the area, Mr Surapong said.
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Signalene jeg har hørt gjentatt i media og av folk i Thailand er det samme som krigen over indokina.Og det er at hvorfor skal vi rette oss etter tidligere kolonimakter?
Og her får jeg endelig bekreftelse på innlegget.(14.11.2013)
Se signalene selv:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/379693/yingluck-yet-to-accept-icj-ruling
"Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra insisted in parliament yesterday she had never accepted the International Court of Justice's (ICJ) decision awarding the entire Preah Vihear promontory to Cambodia. "
Jeg selv ser helt klart at dette er et viktig poeng. Her sitter altså dommere fra de tidligere kolonimaktene og avgjør ting som dem selv har vært med på å skape.
Hvem gav Frankrike rett til å innvadere Thailand, og skape Indokina? Og hvorfor skal det i 2013 være dommere fra Frankriket, england, USA som skal avgjøre landområder som ble tatt av Frankriket . Da når Frankriket så tapte krigen gikk USA til krig for å forsvare kolonimakten Frankriket.
Frankriket har intet å gjøre i en dom som gjelder Thailand. Dette har heller ikke UK, og USA.
Haag dommstolen skulle vært av nøytrale land som ikke har vært kolonimakter. Da hadde dommen vært mer rettferdig.
Det er lett å glemme tidligere historier, og derfor har jeg vedlagt filmer nedenfor av indokina konflikten.
Husk en ting, og det er at i 1975 var vietnamkrigen over. Det er flere som fortsatt minnes den tiden. og
Men til ettertanke for Thailand bør man se på løsningen som Norge og Russland gjennomførte.
Norges deling med Russland
Utfallet kan vel egentlig sammenlignes med den Norske og Russiske konflikten over nordområdene.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/04/27/nyheter/russland/norge/medvedev/utenriks/11470171/
Jeg fant en link som tar for seg Cambodia sitt syn.Hvor man skriver følgende:
http://www.cambodia.org/Preah_Vihear/?history=A+Khmer+Heritage
"Unlike the Khmers, Thais, known then as Siameses, were not natives of the region. The kingdom of Thailand, known then as Siam, did not appear in Southeast Asia until the mid- 14th century.
A well-known Thai historian, Sulak Sivarak, who was a Nobel Peace Prize nominee and the winner of the Right Livelihood Award said of the Khmer Empire: "It included everything right up to Lopburi and all of what is now Bangkok".
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I have before written about this temple, and some info is on the blogg.
http://thaimarried.blogspot.com/2012/02/fra-kolonitid-til-dagens-asia.html
http://thaimarried.blogspot.com/2012/05/fortsettelse-kolonitid-til-dagens.html
The link above show Cambodia view.
Thailand had a large "Siam" before the Frence started there quest for land.
The view the blogger above talk about, make me think like this:
"For me it will be the same as we Norwegian should say that USA belong to Norway, because the vikings was the first to find USA."
Let see the evidence :
"Who discovered America? When Columbus returned from the Antilles in 1493, he was not the first European to have stepped in the New World.
It seems that, 500 years before, a group of blond Scandinavians had done it. It happened during the Viking era, when these sailors and warriors were roaming northern Africa, eastern Europe and the Middle East. "
So therefor Norway own USA, right ?
Source : http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-Did-Vikings-Discover-America-49891.shtml
Also in your article you say :
"Cambodia was a vassal state under Siam during the reign of King Ang Duong."
Well you see that easy on the map from 1351 until 1907, that is 556 years this was under Siam.
I would think that is a long claim ?
From 1907 until today it is 107 years. But Thailand never said they agree to the rulling in court in 1962, so this is really not 107 years.
It is from 1907 until 1962 this was under Cambodia and that is 55 years.
And it was taken from Thailand by France . So this is the same way, if germany should say they had France under the war in 1942.
The land should have been returned to Siam after this:
source: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_thailandsk-kambodsjanske_grensekonflikten
In the nineteenth century , interest in the colonization of Indochina in Europe. France , which then had already gained influence in Cochinkina.
Cambodia established a protectorate in 1863 after a request from King Norodom of Cambodia.
The French wanted to increase their sphere of influence and pressure Siam to conclude the French- Thai treaty of 1867 , which rejected Thailand's sovereignty over Cambodia against Battambang , Banteay Meanchey , Oddar Meancheay and Siem Reap provinces officially became part of Thailand .
These provinces were returned to Cambodia for a boundary adjustment treaty in 1906 between French Indochina, the French colonial federation created in Indochina in 1887
And Thailand, against Thailand got Trat , Dan Sai and Loei . The French surveyed the border between French Cambodia and Thailand on behalf of a bilateral border commission. This map showed Preah Vihear as part of Cambodia , which fought with the prior agreement of 1904. Despite this, Thailand used the map in official use, which has affected the current conflict .
Without help from France, cambodia would not had this land.
And the historian you talk about might be this ?
http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/pendingcases/sulak-sivaraksa/
See the history here:
Ayutthaya Kingdom
(1351–1767)
Thonburi Kingdom (1768–1782)
Rattanakosin Empire (1782-1856)
same map as above from 1768 to 1782
Siam Empire (1856–1932)
In 1893 the French authorities in Indochina used a minor border dispute to provoke a crisis.
French gunboats appeared at Bangkok, and demanded the cession of Lao territories east of the Mekong. The King appealed to the British, but the British minister told the King to settle on whatever terms he could get, and he had no choice but to comply. Britain's only gesture was an agreement with France guaranteeing the integrity of the rest of Siam. In exchange, Siam had to give up its claim to the Tai-speaking Shan region of north-eastern Burma to the British.
The French, however, continued to pressure Siam, and in 1906–1907 they manufactured another crisis. This time Siam had to concede French control of territory on the west bank of the Mekong opposite Luang Prabang and around Champasak in southern Laos, as well as western Cambodia.
The British interceded to prevent more French bullying of Siam, but their price, in 1909 was the acceptance of British sovereignty over of Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis and Terengganu under Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909.
All of these "lost territories" were on the fringes of the Siamese sphere of influence and had never been securely under their control, but being compelled to abandon all claim to them was a substantial humiliation to both king and country (historian David K. Wyatt describes Chulalongkorn as "broken in spirit and health" following the 1893 crisis) and is the basis for the change in the name of the country; with the loss of these territories Great Siam was now no more, the king now ruled only the core Thai lands.
In the early 20th century these crises were adopted by the increasingly nationalist government as symbols of the need for the country to assert itself against the West and its neighbours.
1907: Siam surrenders to France the Cambodian province around Angkor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Siamese_War
Indochina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Indochina
Paper Money of French Indochina
France obtained control over northern Vietnam following its victory over China in the Sino-French war (1884–1885).
French Indochina was formed in October 1887 from Annam, Tonkin, Cochinchina (which together form modern Vietnam) and the Kingdom of Cambodia; Laos was added after the Franco-Siamese War in 1893.
The federation lasted until 1954. In the four protectorates, the French formally left the local rulers in power, who were the Emperors of Vietnam, Kings of Cambodia, and Kings of Luang Prabang, but in fact gathered all powers in their hands, the local rulers acting only as figureheads.
What was France after:
Rich resources of rice, oil, iron ore, rubber, tin, and later bauxite and titanium, among others using colonials employed at slave wages.
French colonialism in Vietnam
Vietnam - History
Indochina War Timeline: 1945
French colonialism in Vietnam
.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French-Thai_War
Negotiations with France shortly before World War II had shown that the French government was willing to make appropriate changes in the boundaries between Thailand and French Indochina, but only slightly.
Following the Fall of France in 1940, Major-General Plaek Pibulsonggram (popularly known as "Phibun"), the prime minister of Thailand, decided that France's defeat gave the Thais an even better chance to regain the territories they had lost during King Chulalongkorn's reign.
The German occupation of metropolitan France made France's hold on its overseas possessions, including Indochina, tenuous.
Where this picture show the leader of France ( Indo china)
"1940 oktober hvor Pétain og Hitler håndhilste og blitt enige om dette samarbeidet mellom de to statene."
The isolated colonial administration was cut off from outside help and outside supplies.
After the Japanese invasion of Indochina in September 1940, the French were forced to allow Japan to set up military bases.
This seemingly subservient behaviour convinced the Phibun regime that Vichy France would not seriously resist a confrontation with Thailand
- The Thai Army was a relatively well-equipped force.[10] Consisting of 60,000 men
- French forces in Indochina consisted of an army of approximately 50,000 men, of whom 12,000 were French, organised into forty-one infantry battalions, two artillery regiments, and a battalion of engineers.[7]
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During World War II, Thailand took the opportunity of French weaknesses to reclaim previously lost territories, resulting in the French-Thai War between October 1940 and 9 May 1941.
The Thai forces generally did well on the ground, but Thai objectives in the war were limited.
In January, Vichy French naval forces decisively defeated Thai naval forces in the Battle of Koh Chang. The war ended in May at the instigation of the Japanese, with the French forced to concede territorial gains for Thailand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Koh_Chang
The Battle of Ko Chang took place on 17 January 1941 during the Franco-Thai War and resulted in a decisive victory by the French over the Royal Thai Navy. During the battle, a flotilla of French warships attacked a smaller force of Thai vessels, including a coastal battleship.
In the end, Thailand lost two ships sunk and one heavily damaged and grounded. Within a month of the engagement, the Vichy French and the Thais negotiated a peace which ended the war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France
Philippe Pétain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_P%C3%A9tain
Pétain's actions during World War II resulted in his conviction and death sentence for treason,
After the liberation of France on 7 September 1944, Pétain and other members of the French cabinet at Vichy were relocated by the Germans to Sigmaringen in Germany, where they became a government-in-exile until April 1945.
Pétain, however, having been forced to leave France, refused to participate in this government and Fernand de Brinon now headed the 'government commission.'[33]
In a note dated 29 October 1944, Pétain forbade de Brinon to use the Marshal's name in any connection with this new government, and on 5 April 1945, Pétain wrote a note to Hitler expressing his wish to return to France. No reply ever came. However, on his birthday almost three weeks later, he was taken to the Swiss border. Two days later he crossed into the French frontier.[34]
Postwar trial and legacy
The provisional government headed by de Gaulle placed Pétain on trial, which took place from 23 July to 15 August 1945, for treason.
Dressed in the uniform of a Marshal of France, Pétain remained silent through most of the proceedings after an initial statement that denied the right of the High Court, as constituted, to try him.
De Gaulle himself was later to criticize the trial, stating, "Too often, the discussions took on the appearance of a partisan trial, sometimes even a settling of accounts, when the whole affair should have been treated only from the standpoint of national defense and independence."[36]
At the end of Pétain's trial, although the three judges recommended acquittal on all charges, the jury convicted him and sentenced him to death by a one-vote majority.
Due to his advanced age, the Court asked that the sentence not be carried out. De Gaulle, who was President of the Provisional Government of the French Republic at the end of the war, commuted the sentence to life imprisonment due to Pétain's age and his military contributions in World War I.
After his conviction, the Court stripped Pétain of all military ranks and honours save for the one distinction of Marshal of France.
Maréchal is a title conferred by a special personal law passed by the French Parliament which, under the separation of powers principle, the French Court did not have the power to overturn.[citation needed]
Fearing riots at the announcement of the sentence, de Gaulle ordered that Pétain be immediately transported on the former's private aircraft to Fort du Portalet in the Pyrenees,[37] where he remained from 15 August to 16 November 1945. The government later transferred him to the Fort de Pierre-Levée citadel on the Île d'Yeu, a small island off the French Atlantic coast.[38]
The ending of Indo China
http://www.gia-vuc.com/frenchindochina.htm
First Indochina War (1/5)
First Indochina War (2/5)
First Indochina War (3/5)
First Indochina War (4/5)
First Indochina War (5/5)
The Vietnam War or Second Indochina War
After France's attempted recolonization of Indochina was defeated in 1954 by the Viet Minh at the battle of Điện Biên Phủ, an agreement to temporarily partition the country in two with a de-militarized zone (DMZ) was reached at the Geneva Conference (1954).
The Vietnam War
ostensibly began as a civil war between feuding governments. Being
Western-oriented and perceived as less popular than Hồ Chí Minh's
northern government, the South Vietnam government fought largely to
maintain its governing status within the partitioned entity, rather than
to "unify the country" as was the goal of the North. Fighting began in
1957 and with U.S. and Soviet-Chinese involvement would steadily
escalate and spill over into the neighboring Indochinese countries of
Cambodia and Laos.
The Geneva partition was not a natural
division of Vietnam and was not intended to create two separate
countries. But the South government, with the support of the United
States, blocked the Geneva scheduled elections for reunification. In the
context of the Cold War, and with the recent Korean War as a precedent,
the U.S. had feared that a reunified Vietnam would elect a Communist
government under the popular Hồ Chí Minh, either freely or fraudulently.
The Second indochina war del 1
The Second indochina war del 2
The Second indochina war del 3
The Second indochina war del 4
The Second indochina war del 5
Thailands role in Vietnam war
Tenk dere dette , Frankriket invaderte Thailand. Deretter tapte de krigen mot Vietnam. Så går USA inn i Vietnam og forsvarer kolonien .
Thailand har altså tapt landområder til Frankriket. Og så forsvarer USA at disse landområdene skulle ligge under tilsvarende koloni.
Altså får USA lov til å ta utgangspunkt i Thailand. Da selv om "kolonimakten" har fratatt dem land.
Og Thailand hjelper USA. Hvem ville gitt fra seg landområder og så hjulpet kolonimakten?
Dette viser Thaiene sin velvilje.
Det er egentlig en skam at USA og Frankriket nå sitter å ikke tar dette innover seg.
Tror Thailand angrer på at dem hjalp USA nå.
Update:
15.11.2013 - Thailand to oppose temple plan
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